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Hook · Post by **Hook** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:39 am

The Server is Currently UP! (if it is not it will be again soon so check back)
Server Name:
Curious George's OLD SKOOL REDEEMER ***HOOK's UT Place*** - www.hooksutplace.co.nr TEST
Named as it is so it will be easy to find next to Hermskii's CG.

IP: -> unreal://192.168.254.1:7757

It MAY be down at times as it shares my Home computer!
Be Sure to let me/us know how it worked for you! - HERE and at my forums -> www.hooksutplace.co.nr
It is a TEST server that may need tweaking yet!

See ya there!

DARKMATTER · Post by **DARKMATTER** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:44 pm

HMM another argument you could have is all the noobs and with the exception of me, nameless, hermskii and scify all other posters in this thread are NOOBS even meat is still a relative noob to the number of years the rest of us have played, come in screaming noobs have been on and not played the game correctly well they seamed to play the way it has and was set out originally played so really the not so noob players are the ones not playing correctly. The thing i liked about meat is he complained then backed up what he complained about by starting his own server to play the way he wants not to come into the game years later and say hey i'm here now play the game the way i want it played....

Hook · Post by **Hook** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:06 pm

DARKMATTER wrote:with the exception of me, nameless, hermskii and scify all other posters in this thread are NOOBS even meat is still a relative noob to the number of years the rest of us have played,

And I assume you would except myself also!!! - I have been playing since 1999 (and mapping I might add most of those years)
That only leaves 1 or 2 noobs left here in this thread.
Oh & you can leave me out of your argument thingy!
I am here to have fun not argue with you or anyone.
I set up a server (again) - that is ALL - Try it and report on it or not!
I am merely TESTing out a server as we used to play back when.
I am rusty with the server stuff as I have had mine down for years now!

In the quote from your post - You are a assuming a lot as you have no idea how long some of us have played - obviously!

Oh - PS: Noobs are great! - Give me noobs - especially NOW in this late hour of UT99!!!
We NEED MORE Noobs!

DARKMATTER · Post by **DARKMATTER** » Thu May 24, 2007 7:45 pm

Hook wrote:
DARKMATTER wrote:with the exception of me, nameless, hermskii and scify all other posters in this thread are NOOBS even meat is still a relative noob to the number of years the rest of us have played,
And I assume you would except myself also!!! - I have been playing since 1999 (and mapping I might add most of those years)
That only leaves 1 or 2 noobs left here in this thread.
Oh & you can leave me out of your argument thingy!
I am here to have fun not argue with you or anyone.
I set up a server (again) - that is ALL - Try it and report on it or not!
I am merely TESTing out a server as we used to play back when.
I am rusty with the server stuff as I have had mine down for years now!

In the quote from your post - You are a assuming a lot as you have no idea how long some of us have played - obviously!

Oh - PS: Noobs are great! - Give me noobs - especially NOW in this late hour of UT99!!!
We NEED MORE Noobs!

Yes your right i should of said mod instead of game a lot of players might of been playing ut for years were this argument for want of a better word is aimed at the mod not the game

Scify · Post by **Scify** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:19 pm

Any one who can do mapping got talent

bumMmonkeY · Post by **bumMmonkeY** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:59 am

see it dosnt matter how much you whinge about OLD SCHOOL. hate to point it out to the players of yester year but the game changes, i dont care if your the CREATOR of ut99 and play it 24/7...really means "Expletive Deleted" to me...play with dignity and youl get respect..not how long you been playin. hell! if a dude who started yesterday and has a talent for 1st person shooters comes along and smashes me up. hats off! as long as its done PROPERLY .BOTTOM LINE!
wanna play olden day games and methods dig out the atari and well sit round on mums old rug and play pong..or better still play ut PURE servers.
Now you can have a whinge about old mods, "back in my day......"
Heres the story gramps....lol

.....its 2007 and MRS is NOT an old school server...its a NEW school server and unfortunatey these apparent old school methods have seeped in.
The only difference is, its up to the admin to decide what stays and what goes...sure you might alienate one or two bad apples but just thnk of the genuine players youd get?? and dont think ive come here sprouting of my "noob"

LMAO

opinions without doin my homework.. anyone that knows me and my style knows i dont mind getting in and having a chat within MRS to find out what ppl think. so you COULD say its something that i know what other ppl think of and im NOWHERE NEAR a minority here. not to mention a NOOOOB!! 1999 old school too baby!!! thing is i never took it that seriously untill i joined MRS and notched my game up a step or two. i guess HERE i am a manority because there are 3-4 ppl in the topic 2 of which play MRS on a regular basis.
again ill point out that i dont have the knowhow but more importantly i do not have the computer to run a server... but again, im not really interested in having a server of my own nor am i interested in mapping either. im a car audio installer not a computer whiz.
now that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that i can now play the game very well and in a way that i PERSONALLY think is FAIR and RESPECTFUL of my fellow opponents. ive learned the HARD way by getting out there and playing with respect...close quarters battle is not something i shy away from either. but spawn killin is the last thing ill be known for.

spawn shooting is like shooting ppl in the back.
a pussies game no matter how you look at it. new school, old school or WHATEVER is inbetween.

If it was a legitimate tactic....why dont we see dedicated spawn killing servers???? hmmmm??

i Can see it now....-{PAW}-PuSSies aND wHimPS spAwn KillAZ
no doubt some poofter will end up doin it because he got sick of being ridiculed in a server where ppl arnt so competitive to spawn kill. i mean how important is winning if you cant do it with dignity?

spawn killing.....pfft!.....PA--LEEEEEEEEEEESE!

veGATebLes

Hook · Post by **Hook** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:55 pm

PS: Arrrggg! - I screwed-up my Internet connection tweaking my router/modem!!!
I hope to be back connected to the www soon!

* I am down & the Game Server is DOWN until I get my connection ironed out!!! aaahhhrrrggg!!!

My Site & Forums are still UP though! (bright side LOL)

... Later!

The Jargonaut · Post by **The Jargonaut** » Sat May 26, 2007 6:53 am

Just stumbled across this thread. THE DEAD HORSE LIVES AGAIN!

Seriously, the point of the game is to have fun. At first, I debated MEAT on this point (spray and pray versus hide and hunt) but you know, what difference does it make really?
There are now at least four servers out there that you can play on. Perhaps all of the admins can get together and designate their servers as:

Spray and Pray: Small maps fast games
Hide and Hunt: Large maps tactical games
Combo: No bitching just enjoy the experience

If I had my old server up and running (remember Jarg's Fallout Shelter?), I would have just small and medium maps with around a 20 player cap. Why? Cause that is where I have the most fun.
When I started playing, there were some folks that just amazed me in their speed of winning. Folks like Mahatma, Kind Bud, Torpid, Death Inc... These players just slaughtered the rest of us. We could not stay alive long enough to figure out how they did it. The challenge was to do just that, figure it out. It took me forever, but I finally got it.
My point? Heck, I forget. Just have fun!

MEAT · Post by **MEAT** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:46 am

I love these internet cafes in Japan. Beer and the world wide web. Just like home...lol
Still wish I had more time to voice my opinions on the subject but my time is limited.
But I do have a question for the masses. Lets all go back to 1999 or to the present if you like.
How many of you would buy a game where you were placed in a very small crowded map,
with a very large guiding missile, which you could not use other than to spray and pray
to kill bots and spawning real people before they had a chance to play? Raise your hands.
Sound pretty boring to me and not much of a challenge.
So I give credit to those that have made the Redeemer what it is today.
And todays version might sale.

I will beat some dead horse when I return home in a few days.

Scify · Post by **Scify** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:34 pm

MEAT wrote:I love these internet cafes in Japan. Beer and the world wide web. Just like home...lol
Still wish I had more time to voice my opinions on the subject but my time is limited.
But I do have a question for the masses. Lets all go back to 1999 or to the present if you like.
How many of you would buy a game where you were placed in a very small crowded map,
with a very large guiding missile, which you could not use other than to spray and pray
to kill bots and spawning real people before they had a chance to play? Raise your hands.
Sound pretty boring to me and not much of a challenge.
So I give credit to those that have made the Redeemer what it is today.
And todays version might sale.

I will beat some dead horse when I return home in a few days.

First of all I didn't buy game I buy it 2002 when UT 99 files some reason
was vanishing from old computer .Guy help me get mine old CP. I got it he adjust and put thing on it one was UT 99. He want unlisted server that wasn't listed mainly mine.He , his friend and me play . Those got into sometime forget about me.At time only thing they they didn't like for me to have was pistol. I pick exart pistol.Mine friend said he never seen anyone deadly with pistol before. I said right He Had 15 points his friends had 14 and me 3 LOL.
I never skill as Regular UT. But Redeemer mod is Best I can play.
I said this Everybody haves differrent likes.Mine are small maps and middles size.
It more skill play small maps I think . Some of you haven't play smallest herm use to have where some of us had like 100 deaths and play in minute

Herm didn't like it very very very small.He took it o ff.....

bumMmonkeY · Post by **bumMmonkeY** » Sun May 27, 2007 12:24 pm

scify i have no idea what to say....really i have NO idea. lmao

i dont really see a difference in large small or medium. if your a spawn killer you know where the most likely places for the most spawns are and youl sit there and guard them. This is true in the LARGEST of maps.

i dont see the topic as "flogging a dead horse" more like "bringing the dead horse back to life!"

id like to see an alliance...a posse.... hunt spawn killers untill there game is so miserable that they know what its like to have no chance and maybe decide to change there style. lol, i know it sounds a little nazi-ish but i play ut99 so i can meet challanges and im afraid i cant see value in trying to spawn without dying. spawning IS one of the only things in the game you cannot control and having ppl further take that control defeats the point of being there in the first place. Spawning is also the easiest thing to do in ut99....except when some poofter is shootin the one spot 100000 times a minute!!
Now, ive noticed that most ppl who have posted positive for spawn killing give reference to being able to use some sort of skill to counteract spawn killing...to them i say...are we playin the same game here???!!!
In my experience a spawn killer DOES NOT allow for letting you have a chance to kill them....easy equasion...!!!spawn!!!!...followed directly by.....!!!die!!! spawn + die = no fun at all. If there was a chance spawn killing would not be an issue.
in larger maps sure, you got a chance. im talking about the ones where you get spawn killed like 10+ times in a row before your SKILLED

enough to spawn somewhere else.
Me personally, i get the shits if its more than 5 or so and will just stay idol untill map vote then get my SEVERE revenge in the larger maps i pick..that is if they dont leave (more often than not they do) after they have their "fun" and i use THAT term loosly

MEAT...good point. i know i wouldnt buy ut if i thought it was all spawn killing and bots..it makes it a game of chance...random...more like gambling than the game of skill and vigelance that ive come to know and love. Sometimes i even think about uninstalling so i can use that valuble space ut99 is taking up so i can put bannanas in pyjamas party time on.

dunno whats happening to my ut lately either. went to connect to kidcapris the other day and had like a 600+ ping.
Aussie pings are attrocious as it is (usually 250+) but 600+ now that was just stupid. It was like...shoot...wait 30 secs....then the deemer would come out the gun lol.

veGETabLes

Post by **Hermskii** » Sun May 27, 2007 10:36 pm

Yes, games advance in the way we play them and all of that but for several years it didn't. Playing this mod and playing it well meant only one thing. Run and gun. The End. That's All. End Of Line.

I prefer the non-run-n-gun method just as many do now but at least I can say that I've been there and done that and still can be there and do it if needed.

Let me put a nail in this dead horse's coffin and say that like it or not, playing run-and-gun shooting at spawn points will forever be a way to play this game and keep in mind it was the first way and only way in the beginning.

I had plenty to do with the change over to the newer method of gameplay which I prefer but there is NOT a right answer to this argument and the closest one to being right is run and gun as all noobs do no matter what until they realize there are other strategies once they figure out how to live long enough to try them out.

You can't stop noobs from playing like this and it is the noobs that eventually learn to try other tactics and become regulars. Many become regulars and never try a new approach. They aren't wrong either! They are just short sighted or very good at the way they play and prefer it. Wow! I never considered that I might end this argument once and for all but I think I'm about to. In the question of what came first the chicken or the egg, in relation to that question and this mod, the answer is easily over 95% of the time the run-and gunner comes first. After they have grown some they often become a hide and glider not to mention using the translocator.

He-he, like it or not, play on a medium to small map against run and gun players and many of them at that and you will loose. If you are so talented, why can't you win? I can! I can running and gunning. Bigger maps with fewer players means you need to use a different strategy.

My main point is this. Run and gun came first and it often still is primarily used with newer players. More of the several Redeemer Mod servers are designed to use run and gun too. Noobs all mostly use run and gun first. Someone mentioned that the server ought to mention what type it is. That is true but real players will figure it out soon enough themselves I hope.

I like to think that pretty much shuts the door on this topic though I'm sure someone will chime in with a reply that will egg this forward some more. I sure hope not though. The final answer is there is not a right answer. Noobs generally run and gun and regulars usually hide and glide based on the amount of players and the size of the map.

I want to take a second to STRESS something else here to those that don't know it. I have written rules that appear in a welcome window each time you connect to my servers. I don't here but I expect the same behavior here as I do on my servers. Make your opinion known and make it often. Just keep the bad language out of it please. I let this thread slide for a while but I won't hesitate to erase it based on the fact that I have much younger family who visit here every once in a while. Mature people don't require bad language to get their point across. Thank you for keeping this in mind prior to all future posts.

MEAT · Post by **MEAT** » Thu May 31, 2007 12:01 am

Ah....but the subject/the debate/the beating of the "Dead Horse" will always live on as long as we have different Redeemer servers, different maps, different players coming and going, different skill players playing....etc..etc And no, it's not a bad thing to discuss. Especially when the old method, the beginning method, the original method of play is still around. Does it make it right? Does it make it wrong? No, at the time it was basically the only way to play....that is if you wanted to win and if you wanted to get along.
I on the other hand didn't want to get along. I saw more to the Redeemer then that which was originally stumbled upon. What I think it should have been designed for in the beginning.
And what I have designed my server to be.
I said it before, "do you really think the concept of a room full of people with nuclear warheads killing each other and themselves, killing others by way of spawn kills, killing non-entity bots with games lasting a matter of seconds or just a couple of minutes would sell"?
Probably not, but at the time that was all there was and we played it. It was just another spinoff from UT that needed development that the original designers didn't forecast happening.
As for shuting the door on this subject, it will never happen. Redeemer keeps evolving with time and for some strange reason people keep coming around to play this 8 year old changing game.
And they should know the roots...the good and the bad. And they should question it.

Post by **Hermskii** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:41 pm

You're right! I have dibs on the server where spawn kills count and it is considered a Higher motor skill strategy. I'll claim that server to be the one known as CG and or any other Redeemer Mod server that I ever run. You here me peeps! My servers have dibs on this. You aren't allowed to play this way except on my servers. Whew! I'm glad that's over!

MEAT · Post by **MEAT** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:14 pm

For those of you that are counting, I'm staying close to my roots.
My server currently has 14 maps that some would consider "Spray and Pray" maps.
Spawn point memorization is a must and bot kills are abundant.
But I will confess, a majority of the other maps do require more of a "Run-N-Gun" and/or "Hide-N-Guide" strategy.
I'm like a Wal-Mart....I got it all.

House of Hermskii {HOH}

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