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[Killer Klownz]

As for the redeemer question, I'm reasonably sure Klown runs a local radar. Bob, I don't know. Never played enough with him. MEAT is just really friggin good, I've played him on his server and mine and he's equally good either place.

So according to gopostal anyone else who is decent at redeemer except his boy is cheating? So gopostal is accusing everyone who has ever won a map of cheating? A player that hardly, if ever plays, is making the accusation that myself, Silent Bob and others are cheating?

[MEAT]

I've never heard of or have seen anyone cheat at Redeemer "intentionally".
Sure we've all seen the player that uses the laptop with a faster processor speed
but most of the time they don't even know it...lol
But as for Killer_Klownz and SilentBob no way they are running radars or cheats
of any kind...I've played against these guys for years...they're just that good.
Killer_Klownz just has a knack about him, a playing technique that most people
can't figure out and I think SilentBobs strength is in basically just knowing the maps.

Just an idea:
Gopo and Hermskii I think it would be a great if someone could open up a neutral server setup
with robust anticheat scanning. It would be interesting to see what types of bugs, cheats,
anti-this and anti-that we all have.
In fact it would be funny to see this type of server out there for everyone to see
and test themselves with..."you enter the server, it checks you for bugs\cheats, it tells
you if you're clean or not and if you're not it kicks you from the server"...lol
Then maybe the results could be posted somewhere?
ahh...just an idea.

[BIOMECH]

That's the first time I've ever seen Klownz use the word "myself", as opposed to using a gollum-style "Klownz thinks this" sentence.

The idea of a "full body scan" server is sort of interesting though. Does it have a practical use or is it just for the hell of it?

[gopostal]

So according to gopostal anyone else who is decent at redeemer except his boy is cheating? So gopostal is accusing everyone who has ever won a map of cheating? A player that hardly, if ever plays, is making the accusation that myself, Silent Bob and others are cheating?

Didn't say that. I only said I am reasonably sure you use a radar. It's not an unthinkable thing, geez. It happens all the time. I ran package logging on HoF's server without telling anyone (at the owner's request) and I had about an 80% correct rate at guessing who was cheating before we scanned everyone. Oh, and by the way, out of the top 30 HoF RX players, one-third were caught outright on the scans. Cheats are openly available, easily installed, and it takes a practiced hand to discover many of them. One demo I took of you pretty much outlines exactly why I feel like I do. I was running behindview and crouch-walking towards and intersecting T. I can clearly see you pointing your redeemer at the intersection and waiting. As soon as I was semi-close to the junction you popped one shot off and turned away. You knew where I was, took the shot you knew I couldn't escape from, and satisfied you went on. by the way dude, I am far from the only one who thinks this. I just have balls to say it to you. I could care less if I win or lose, it means nothing to me. There is no vendetta, just simply an informed observation.

Meat, you bring up a grand idea. If there is interest, I'll set up a neutral server with anticheat scanning I have designed. I can also help you install it yourself if you really want to see the truth. One or two evenings with it on unannounced will be a helluva lesson for you, I promise. It's disheartening to say the least, but quite educational if you want to see the unvarnished truth.

[MEAT]

Cheats are openly available, easily installed, and it takes a practiced hand to discover many of them.

Sounds crazy but is it possible for someone to pickup a cheat or bug accidentally by playing on a corrupted server?

Meat, you bring up a grand idea. If there is interest, I'll set up a neutral server with anticheat scanning I have designed. It's disheartening to say the least, but quite educational if you want to see the unvarnished truth.

If you throw together a test server I'd be a guinea pig...I think a lot of us would.

[Killer Klownz]

If you throw together a test server I'd be a guinea pig...I think a lot of us would.

Can't be you since he hasn't bothered to smear you, everyone else, but not you. Cause he sucks at redeemer everyone else is cheating? Pulls one example out of thousands of hours of game time by me and labels me a cheater. I am more than willing to be tested at ANY time. I'm use to getting accused as all good players do. Hell MEAT and I throw them back and forth at each other in jest all the time. But this is unmitigated bullshit. It's sad when someone has taken the time, effort and ass whippings to become good, gets accused of cheating and has to be scanned to prove themselves clean. Test away, any place, at any time or tell me what file to send . . .

[MEAT]

If you throw together a test server I'd be a guinea pig...I think a lot of us would.

Can't be you since he hasn't bothered to smear you, everyone else, but not you. Cause he sucks at redeemer everyone else is cheating? Pulls one example out of thousands of hours of game time by me and labels me a cheater. I am more than willing to be tested at ANY time. I'm use to getting accused as all good players do. Hell MEAT and I throw them back and forth at each other in jest all the time. But this is unmitigated bullshit. It's sad when someone has taken the time, effort and ass whippings to become good, gets accused of cheating and has to be scanned to prove themselves clean. Test away, any place, at any time or tell me what file to send . . .

Easy big fella...lol
I've seen some oddities during play and a lot of strange things have happened over the years.
Things that would make anyone say it was a cheat.
In fact I started this thread because I was accused of cheating..."having a faster redeemer".
I've also been accused of having an invisible protective armor...lol
Not sure if the comment was in jest but it kind of pissed me off when it happened.
Actually the invisible armor (which I will explain) was just a case of mistaking identity.
Both RandomPlayer and myself have and use the same skin...Random and KK
were going at it at close range when I (a mile away) took a shot and killed KK.
It was during a SniperDeemer game and I was just trying to kill one of them.
KK...confusing me for Random kind of insinuated I was cheating.
I laughed at first (like I always do) hoping Random would clear up the confusion...but
he really had no idea what just happened.
It was just one of those strange things...an oddity.
And it's probably what happened to gopo and you.
(It has nothing to do with you being a better player then gopo)
Anyway, I will again vouch for Killer_Klownz because I've seen him do some amazing things during a game.
Things that only a few of us can do because, as KK said... "we have taken the time, effort and ass whippings to become good".

[Killer Klownz]

I've also been accused of having an invisible protective armor...lol Not sure if the comment was in jest but it kind of pissed me off when it happened.

Course it was said in jest like when you throw "aimbot" and such at me but maybe I hit you with it on beer night? And nobody accused you of cheating with a faster redeemer. We've all seen the oddities and survived hits where we're just as surprised as the player that took the shot. I do wish players would not use the same skins as others though . . .

[Hermskii]

I all for anything that doesn't take anymore of the little time I have. For me to suck as bad as I do now and be accused of cheating is funny actually. I only recall one person ever charged with cheating and he was testing it per his appeal from being banned from the server that caught him. Eventually he pretty much just stopped playing and never really was even good enough to be considered a threat even if he was cheating.

I have in the past invited cheaters to CG since I didn't see them being able to really use a cheat to any advantage there and even if they won with it, they never stayed cause how much fun would that be anyway? I recall GOPO telling me about several different types of cheats that do work well on CG but I stood back and stuck to the concept that it just would not be worth the effort for them to do it or for me to try to block it.

I agree with MEAT that Silent Bob just knows that maps so well that he is awesome. Experience says it all there. I already made my point about KK's playing style and me observing him to not have been using any cheat when I ever played with him.
A long time ago a nailed two guys repeatedly with deemers and they lived and laughed about it. That was when I put a cheatprotection mod on but before I even did, they were already long gone and never returned. I understand radar must be awesome in UT in sniper and demmer mods but I just can't fathom somebody being such a loser to use it.

[Reiyel_3.0]

Just an opinion:

I´ve been accused of cheating several times. Never been seriously accused but people have told me from "aimbot" until "elfbot" or some sort of cheat that does combo´s automatically. I´ts kinda funny because my aim is actually not that good (Hellfire´s and Supreme´s are way better) but obviously I look like a godlike bot for newbs or medium-skilled players. And about the combo´s well, I don´t know, I just practice. It´s frustrating when people don´t understand how good players can be just because they´ve never left their own servers and played against real pro´s. The same for using a radar; once the Cow believed I was using a radar when we were playing DM-Stalwart because I was able to know where he was going to be, comboing him before he could notice. But it was all about knowing the map, I took the time to explain him the few possible paths on the map and how, just by knowing how much time you´re taking in appear in some corner another player could easily realize where you´re going to be next.

However, I think it´s not good to just dismiss Gopostal´s opinion. Remember we´re talking about a guy that is probably the most skilled coder out there and, one of the persons who knows the most about unreal engine in the whole community.

If it´s possible to set up that scan server then go ahead and do it, it would be fun and actually there´s nothing to lose.

[Fuzz_Ball]

WOW! That's one way to get Mr Funny Pants to open up!!! Where have you been hiding, Nali breath?

In all fairness to the Klownz, he too knows the maps and most importantly, can predict where players are going and where they'll be. This comes from the observe then stalk strategy and I've learned that from playing with these bad boys. It's working for me at times when I do play. It's a skill to practice. Bob has a way of filling doors, windows and intersections with enough mayhem that you're sure to run into some of it. MEAT calls it spraying, but I prefer controlled saturation and that helps my game too.

When I play sniper on *TNT* they run checks there and if you've experimented with a radar or whatever, some checkers will pick them up regardless if it's disabled or not. Cryptkeeper uses a thing called TNT_NooS and UTDC. He catches them all the time and posts them on the Lamers and Cheaters list. Some players insist they are running clean and Crypt or other members might help them work it out.

So, is it possible that a player like KK might have a radar detected in his installation? Yes.
Does Klownz really need to use one? NAAAHHHHH.

[Hook]

Most of the time, and currently, we run "Legal" radar on {CMM}.
(The radar is part of the original game engine so it isn't considered a cheat on other servers and also cannot be used on other servers - per Gopo)
This is for the transloc and the altfire (riding) redeemer.
On the Altfire redeemer's radar it differentiates between Bots and Real players so it encourages Real Players to go after each other instead of the bots - IF the bots are used.
BUT, everyone has it so it doesn't help cheaters to use it at all on {CMM}.

[Killer Klownz]

So, is it possible that a player like KK might have a radar detected in his installation? Yes.
Does Klownz really need to use one? NAAAHHHHH.

So now we have Fuzz_Ball saying I do cheat but I don't "really" need to cheat. I went to the *TNT* server today running TNT_NooS_v25.u and UTDCv21dll.u, joined, validated, and played for several minutes against a *TNT* player and someone called Loki (real player) Wasted 3 and got smacked by Loki. Did not get kicked. Connected to several [PURE] servers last night, again with no problems. So what is it Fuzz_Ball? Do I cheat or not?

[Fuzz_Ball]

OK just because a "cheat" is present on one's UT doesn't mean it's in use.
That's the point I was trying to make.
Many of us have investigated a cheat or two.
The fact that you got into TNT with no problem is proof enough for me but I was leaning in your favor and trying to back up your mad skillz. Jeez.

[MEAT]

OK just because a "cheat" is present on one's UT doesn't mean it's in use.
That's the point I was trying to make.

I guess it would be hard to catch a cheat when he knows he's being tested...duh