A two part question about You Tube videos

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A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by a nameless entity » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:00 am

Here is something I've wondered about from time to time: What does it mean when someone "uploads" a video to You Tube? Does the content actually get stored in a You Tube database? Or does You Tube merely provide a link to the video that is stored somewhere else, such as the uploader's own PC or server?

I've wondered about this on occasion because jumping from video to video amoung the suggested selections down the side of the page can mean really different loading times and quality of connections. You'd think that if everything was in one database/server then your resulting quality from video to video would be consistant. But that is certainly not the case. At least in my narrow bandwidth experience, it certainly isn't.

Here's the reason I'm asking:

Last night I started watching some videos of Jethro Tull. I listened to some uploaded cd rips of my favourite songs, watched a couple of live videos from the '80's, and watched one MTV type video which looked much more recent. This last video was of very high quality. But as I watched I noticed that the poster was Russian, and that the text was all in Russian too.
I am suspicious of all things Russian on the internet, and stopped watching the video immedialtely.
Then I updated and ran Malware Bytes while I went and watched some TV.
When I came back later MB reported that all was well and I shut down my PC.

BUT this morning after booting up the PC, I discovered that Microsoft Security Essentials had found a .dat file in Windows/System 32 that it wanted me to submit. I did that, and then ran a scan of that folder. It found 3 instances of this trojan:

http://www.microsoft.com/security/porta ... 2147631094

I think I know the answers already, but the questions remain:

Does You Tube store all uploaded content somewhere? You'd think that if they did do that, they would be very careful to make sure everything they offer was "clean".

And if they do not, are you really taking such a large chance on picking up something nasty every time you watch a new video on You Tube?

Sorry for another long and chatty post, but I like to be as complete as possible.
And now I will await your answers as I go off to scan my PC again with everything I have.

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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by EvilGrins » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:06 pm

Uploaded videos reside completely on YouTube's side. I know this as i have an account, long neglected, and after I uploaded the videos I deleted them on my end but they remained on that site.

Most video sites store uploaded videos on their own site.

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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by Hermskii » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:18 pm

The dat file may have been previously been listed as ok and then an update sudden it listed it is not ok maybe.

You have to send your file to youtube. the speed variance could have been the quality of the videos and how busy youtube was too.

I have never heard of anyone getting a virus from viewing a youtube video. I'd even guess that can't happen. Google it and see.
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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by a nameless entity » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:19 pm

In reply to Evil Grins:
Well in that case they should take greater care in vetting what gets uploaded to their databases. That trojan dates back to 2010, so they should have been able to detect and delete it easily.

I am 99 44/100% sure that I picked up the trojan from watching that Jethro Tull video uploaded from Russia. A trojan that redirects you to a Russian porn site picked up the same evening you happen to watch a video uploaded from Russia is just too great a coincidence to conclude otherwise. :roll:

In reply to Hermskii:
I am a creature of habit. I don't go kiting off to random websites any more. In fact I surf the web almost never, nowadays.

The only other times in recent memory that I have picked up something nasty have always been after watching videos on You Tube. Watching videos is usually the last thing I do before shutting down for the night.
There's only one other place I might have picked up the trojan, and that is a relatively new website (to me, anyway) put up by a motorcycle shop that I do business with a lot.
And it seems very unlikely that they are infected. Especially with that particular trojan.

Googled:

http://askville.amazon.com/virus-watchi ... Id=4840624

https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/i ... 319AAD69jd

http://www.networkworld.com/article/246 ... lance.html

Opinions vary, but I'm getting the impression that it is at least theoretically possible.
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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by Dr.Flay » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:48 am

Youtube servers are located in the USA and France.
Video performance will vary because some files are not available in all sizes, and between the time you were watching a video, thousands more people have just decided they want to watch files served from the same IP. Some of them will be on your street or part of the network which makes a bigger impact.
I swap between USA and France depending on time of day (browser plugin).

An uploaded video file will not contain any executable data that could reach you, as you have no access to the original.
The *.dat file will have been installed with something else.
If it came from Youtube, then youtube is infected, not a video.

Flash and Java are the most likely way to get malware with videos.
Set both of those to use no permanent storage, and check the java security options.
On infected sites embedded "Close" buttons can be the way you unknowingly accept them :(
I usually just hit the back button if the escape key does not work

Videos that are uploaded to Youtube are recoded by their system into a streaming friendly format of MP4 and WEBM.
Even if somehow the video had contained embedded software, it would not be in the recoded version.
To be honest if a hacker were to do that, they would do it to a chart pop video, or something with huge current interest.
Hacking a few hippies and rockers is not going to get them very far, any time soon.
These guys don't use a fishing rod, when they can cast a huge trawler net.

Making judgements on the safety of something simply based on the country of origin or transit, will unfortunately lead you down blind paths and you miss the real culprits in your haste to place the blame where you already want it to be.
I often watch the live stats, and Russia and America are actually fairly equal in attacks on the rest of the planet. China is the one you should worry about not Russia.
http://map.ipviking.com
In fact the UK regularly gets more hack attempts from the USA than Russia or China, so as a UK citizen what am I supposed to read into that ?
That American sites and servers are all to be mistrusted ?
No. It is not that easy.
You or I can use or setup a domain almost anywhere we choose, on almost any continent.
I use a secure blog and mail server in Iceland so the nosey governments can stay out of my actual private mail with clients.
I often use a Russian service for streaming music, because it has a wider choice than any alternative and uses my Last.fm library. It has more of the asian and mashup music I look for.
I am even a member of several Russian UT groups, because it is hugely popular there, and many players have at least basic grasp of English.
There are some seriously good mappers there.
I have online friends in many countries including Russia and China that are just normal average people with a similar love for UT or music, and no interest or ability to hack or code.
The Russian sites I use are all rated green in Web Of Trust, and so far over the years I have never had any red-menace in my PC.

My browsers (Firefox and Opera) have plugins showing me the location and server details of any site I am on at all times, and can check to see if it is being faked.
You will find that many Russian sites are not hosted in Russia, just the same as many US sites are not hosted in America, and many UK sites are not in the UK etc.
Mostly this is for cost effectiveness, security or tax avoidance (google, amazon etc.)
The USA is rapidly running out of IPv4 addresses and has been "borrowing" from other countries for a while.
You already may not be where you think you are online if your browser does not tell you.

I suspect the Jethro Tull footage was ripped from Russian TV, or has the lyrics added in Russian.
However. considering that most people that are not Russian cannot tell Russian writing from any of the other Baltic nations with a Cyrillic alphabet that are part of Europe and/or NATO, can you without a shadow of a doubt truly say it was indeed Russian writing or just looks like it. I know I couldn't.

Actually the 3 links you posted all refer to clicking on added content such as ads or fake ads in or around video players.
This is generally how these attacks happen, and is the flaw in using Flash and/or Java. Especially combined with IE.
There are browser plugins that can block extra unwanted content, and Firefox now defaults to not run plugins without your say-so.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content ... ncerns.htm
https://vivaldi.net/forum/private-brows ... er-plugins

Mostly consider that MS Security Essentials is OK/average at best, and often not that good (recently it has been below average).
https://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/latest_comparative/index
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and you should confirm your suspicion by submitting the file to VirusTotal for comparison with many others.
You can use the site or their tool, or a browser plugin so all downloads have the option of scanning before coming near your PC (best option).
https://www.virustotal.com/en/documenta ... lications/
https://www.virustotal.com/en/documenta ... xtensions/
https://addons.opera.com/en-gb/extensio ... extension/

Now if only MS Security Essentials detects it, but none of the others, and it is a virus from yester-year, then you can deduce it is a temporary "False-positive" and will be fixed in the next update.
If it triggers several alarms then you can be confident it is correct.
However, when you compare trojans you will often find they also show with different names to different AV packages. This can depend on when and which version they originally found.
You need this complete info to be sure you are chasing the correct virus.

Even though I trust Avira as one of the most consistently good packages, I ALWAYS, ALWAYS, submit the sample file to VirusTotal before making a decision.
It is very quick and can actually test the file for real, and then show you a report on what it did.
The last thing I want to do is delete something important.

I have seen many people over the years trash their Windows install because Mcafee or Norton has deleted an important system file, and at one point Norton famously started detecting itself as a virus and destroryed itself.
Paranoia leads to rash decisions, which lead to self-destruction.

Final notes.
If this *.dat file is in your system folders and is a trojan, then it was allowed admin privilege to get inside there, which tells me that you login as admin.
If you are running XP, this is a very serious problem since the end of support.
Whichever Windows you use, you need to create an admin profile and downgrade your user profile.
You can use your admin name and password in the limited user mode when you need it.
If a virus or trojan tries to install, you will now see Windows ask you for permission.
Microsoft claim this will block about 90% of infections.

My second line of defence (first is a good router):
I use a regularly updated HOSTS list of malware and advert sites, so most common drive-by and advert threats cannot reach my PC
http://www.abelhadigital.com/hostsman
I don't use all of the lists available as they have different uses.
With the extra blocking in the browsers, and an above average AV, plus a few Windows tweaks, I often stick my head in the lions-mouth to fetch suspect files to send for analysis, if I cannot use a link.

Some people think I am paranoid with the level of security on my PC, but the irony is I am not... because of the level of security on my PC.
Technically speaking I could operate without an AV as nothing gets a chance, but I would not consider it because the moment you believe you are totally safe, is when you are most vulnerable.
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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by a nameless entity » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:25 pm

So are you saying that I could have picked up that trojan by simply clicking on the "close" button on one of the pop up ads that you get while watching You Tube content? And maybe even the "skip ad" button too?

I really can't think of any other way I could have picked up anything nasty. I just don't go to that many new places.

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As for using MSE, I use it because Chico of Excalibur Holland (he's an IT tech) recommended it as a serviceable freeware alternative. I used to use Avast! Free. But the later versions of that software stopped being compatible with this ancient XP computer. No matter what I did I would get BSOD's. I'm still disappointed about that. I'm also unwilling to risk a later version just to see if they "fixed it" for XP. Very doubtful, that.

While I was AV-less I installed Java so that I could run the remote AV provided by my ISP. I wasn't too thrilled about that. Installing something with a bad reputation just so I could scan for the stuff that Java is infamous for letting in. :roll:
I suppose I should get around to uninstalling Java. I took note of that one website's reco to look for that one file the uninstaller misses.

Then I suppose I should make another XP user account on this PC without admin priviliges.

Then I should install all of that stuff you recommend on all of those web pages.

Then I suppose I should buy a new PC with all the bells and whistles, and also pay someone clever to maintain it for me.

Then I suppose I should go back to school and become an IT tech myself. Maybe then I'd develop a love for all of this stuff, instead of having an aversion to it all.

If it sounds like I'm becoming facetious here, it's because I am.

I just don't have the motivation to bother with all of those things on all of those web pages that I apparently need to do just to be "safer" from internet scumbags.
I'm paying an outrageous $623.04 per year for narrow bandwidth. I haven't felt like I am getting my money's worth out of my internet experiences for a few years now.

The kind of BS that started this thread in the first place and all of the things required just to try to keep up with the scumbags just isn't worth it to me. I'm sick of it all, and have said so here a good number of times.
My contract with my ISP expires near the end of October. Maybe this year I will finally stop whinging about what needs to be done and just do it.
My hog is in for service at the moment, and that $623.04 I could have saved myself would have gone a long way towards the bill. :|
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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by a nameless entity » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:34 pm

Yeah, and I would have had $13.68 left over. So there!! :wink: :lol:
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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by Dr.Flay » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:26 am

:?: I don't spend a single penny on my security, so I don't know where you get the idea that upgrading or throwing money at it is a solution.
So for the purpose of this post, your start budget is $1 ;)

First unfortunately yes you are correct that often coders will make the close gadget do something extra :( It is very sneaky but also very easy.
If hitting "Esc" does not close a suspicious window, I usually click back or close the whole page.

:D BTW. I like that you don't take what I say as "law" or "correct", and you should always fire back at me if you disagree. This is how we compare things in security and get to the bones of what you need. It shows you are genuinely thinking about this, not just skimming for a quick-fix.
(So in that light I apologise for yet another wall of text, but I will try to be thorough as possible.)

I intend to post a full list of options and things XP owners need to keep safe, but I can give you a run-down of the things I do.
(the idea is you pick what suits you and your PC use, not install everything under the sun)

Once I have installed XP and any service packs and drivers, I then let it connect and update from windows.

Next I use "Autopatcher XP" and install any MS extras I can now see.
Autopatcher also includes a handy bunch of security tweaks, so I choose the ones I want.

Next I use Xteq setup to find and enable a few more security features in Windows.

If you install Java or Flash you should change the default behaviour to limit or block local storage (but it always needs to re-fetch it every session).
You should also set it to ask you if it is allowed local storage. This way you can allow the caching of flash and java you trust.
Note: my current Win 7 PC has been running for almost 1 year, and I have only needed Java twice, so I am glad I did not bother installing it.
If you do install Java it can be set as disabled in the browser, so you can enable it specifically if you require it.

Next I use a HOSTS list of malware and adverts sites (This protects the whole PC at network level). Currently I am using "HostMan" which allows you to combine the HOSTS files from several providers, to your own preference (using all of them is not advised).

That along with a robust AV will protect the whole system, next I move onto protection within certain software.
As you have been unlucky to find, even Youtube can suffer with injected malware.
This is becoming more of a problem all the time on many "trusted" sites, including Google, Yahoo, Facebook and Twitter etc.
The 2 solutions are for companies to inspect all adverts they use, or the users to block adverts.
We all know they cannot be bothered to check them and rely on reaction from the public.

1st line of browser defence, is a browser that lets you run all plugins on-demand.
This means that flash adverts can be avoided by not clicking on them.
Firefox recently added this feature so it has almost the same ability as Opera.
Many of the security settings can be used in reverse (a bit like like Linux), so you unlock sites as you trust them, rather than restrict or block after a problem.

Second line is making sure the known bad sites are visible or blocked, with a tool like "Web of Trust". There are a few alternatives.

NoScript, Ghostery and Privacy Badger are available to add extra blocking. These allow you to override for sites you trust or are broken by blocking everything.
I use Ghostery in Opera and IE, and Privacy Badger in Firefox.

:idea: Then there are specific site plugins that will remove all traces of adverts in sites such as Youtube and Facebook.
I have been using these plugins since before the advertising in Youtube, so was actually unaware of adverts for several years. I look at Youtube on someone else's PC and think "Seriously ? You actually put up with all this clutter and rubbish ?"
For Firefox I use "YouTube Enhancer Plus", and for Opera I use "ExtendTube".
To banish adverts and unwanted useless rubbish from Facebook I use "FBPurity".


Several of the AV companies now make plugins for the main social media sites, so you can also get Facebook and Twitter to scan, block and report infections in comments, posts and adverts.

To check actual file downloads before I get them, I rely on the "VirusTotal" browser plugin (all browsers). This is very convenient as they can usually download and scan it faster than you or I.

The idea is to give my AV software almost nothing to do, to the point it is almost useless.
Once I am locked-down I hammer my PC with a few security tests from outside, and see if I left the door open. Gibson Research Corp. have a few tools and handy services for testing your setup.

:idea: Every now and then I use the free "Secunia psi" utility, to inspect all of the installed software for vulnerability and available updates.
It is very small and highly recommended as I guarantee it always finds something you forgot.

There are more things I personally do, but for most users all these free tips and plugins will give them a hefty suit of armour.
Beyond these things, I tweak the SSL settings and add more SSL protection to the browsers.
At this point unfortunately Firefox is the only one with a range of useful plugins available.
Because I visit a lot of bad sites on purpose, I use extra Geo-IP plugins, so I instantly have all the data on the server I am visiting.

:idea: Using XP as a limited user is a pain, but if you wish to continue using as Admin, you should re-enable updates by changing your registry to say it is an embedded XP 8)
You will continue to get security updates for the next few of years.
https://www.sebijk.com/community/board9 ... p-updates/

;) feel free to add up the costs of selecting from any of my options, then tell me how much change from $1.00 you have left.
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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by Nelsona » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:09 pm

As a note:
My Hosts file has aprox. 29 MB with hosts wrapped 8/row (smaller than 1/row)
AddBlock is so cute - Web Of Trust seems to lie, I got rid of it.
But... I have 2,256,866,694 IP-s in PeerBlock's lists (including some customs). You don't want to see how much is blinking in win-tray this cute tool, eh...
Services like "Client for Microsoft Networks" aren't running in my system(s any). Any remote service is stopped, I just read some security info here and there. Changing a bit my strategy made my antivirus quiet for months.

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Re: A two part question about You Tube videos

Post by a nameless entity » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:03 am

Well actually the money I was talking about was how much extra I would have every year if I was not online. And that the repair bill for my Hog would have been covered by that saved money. (With change to spare for take out pizza! ;) )

Perhaps I'm just stupid, but I signed up for another year last month because for some reason my ISP had only raised my plan's price by a dollar, and a price increase was almost certainly on the way soon. So now I have just over 11 months to go. :?

I am completely dismayed by all of the stuff you recommend that I do in order to "harden my armour" against malware. In a near perfect world of the internet, I should not have to do a goddamn thing. It should be taken care of by my ISP and every damn data base host out there in the "cloud". God knows at $53.05 per month for narrow bandwidth it should be that way.

And if I haven't made it clear yet, it is the very fact that I should or even need to "harden" my PC that really, really, pisses me off.
Obviously I'm still getting something out of this toxic "cloud" internet, because I'm still here breathing this sh!t. But one of these daze I really will have had enough. :evil:
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