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[Gem//Mrs.BoB]

i registered a while ago, i just found the comment funny

im not childish, i had an urge to post

but you dont exactly make good impressions, like look on Killerbees forum, please be considerate when playing on other peoples servers, i know he has spoken to someone about it, but i think it will happen again when no staff are around

and the best way to stop this "fight" (i know im not gonna start it) is to lock the topic, delete posts etc

call it "friendly advice"

[matrix]

No need for locking and deleting posts.
Just don't let it happen.

If there is a problem on Killerbees forum, refer to Killerbees forum.

[-SuPreMe-]

There is no problem on KB, they simply complained about us talking too much when there was 1 other player on the server...oh and me and pots wer complained about for saying the word "lag"
good times.

[Hermskii]

Yep, be nice on all forums and nobody complains. If you tell the truth about something it may be taken as a complaint. I'd rather you all complained about other forums here than there. Lag happens people. I can't stop it and neither can most others. We certainly don't need to point out the obvious especially at someone else's home.

When you visit a friend and see something awful in the way they live you maybe should not bring it to their attention. Instead, go back home and discuss amongst yourselves. I'm sure they know what is wrong at their house and it likely does not need to be pointed out to them. There is plenty wrong at my house and on my servers and forum but I really don't need or want it pointed out to me routinely especially by noobs or non-regular visitors.

I'm just like that. I sure hope the MHM tag isn't stirring the pot up anywhere else but right here in our own home. Please be respectful to every one all of the time and that is especially true when visiting other servers and forums. Like your parents might have told you; "Be on your best behavior" please.

[gopostal]

A word on "lag" if I may....

It's really a double-edged sword. Players all want mods and "goodies" and new toys to play with in the maps but every single thing you introduce to the server can and will contribute to lag. Lag on join, lag on weapon switch, lag on map load...Trust me when I say this: Admins are ACUTELY aware of the lag on a server. It's probably the one issue dealt with most often and the single hardest thing to fix. Most lag leaves admins feeling impotent as there really is nothing they can do about it. It's mostly the coders responsibility, along with the server hardware, to keep lag at bay. Really by the time the admin has a say, he can't improve it much.
Because of this somewhat frustrating position, it tends to make the people in charge defensive about it. They are most likely doing everything they can with minimal results (through no fault of their own). If you take any bit of advice from this post take this nugget...The next time you go to type "LAAAAG" into chat....Don't. It only makes admins angry at the fact it can't be improved, and that negative emotion can get focused on you because that "problem" can be "fixed".

[Reiyel_3.0]

First of all, it's wise to think twice before posting or starting a thread; try to be reasonable before posting and never post when you have no arguments but anger.

Second. There's no problem at KB forum. You can check it for yourselves: http://www.online-multigaming.com/e107/ ... ic.php?154
KB himself closed the topic saying there's no problem and that we're cool. The only one who is starting a fight with this behaviour is you. Clearly you didn't even read my post of POTS post. We've explained step by step what happened there as you all can read for yourselves. KB and the other admins have understood and they have even accepted our apologies. So, if the other server admins have closed the conversation I don't see the point in coming here to start this.

Third. You mentioned in your post in KB forum that you have seen us before with the habit of complaining a lot. How can you talk about me if we have not even been introduced before? Why don´t you go ask Gopostal about me and my behaviour or POTS and his behaviour before stating something like that?

I can only finish this post by saying I totally agree with Hermskii. We must be on our best behaviour when visiting another forums or servers. Yes, some of us have made mistakes but it´s unfair to tag the whole community in base of those mistakes. Before UMH bad experiences, we´ve never had this kind of trouble, and we have visited many different servers, including KB´s and nobody ever complained about MHM behaviour. That´s why, even if we didn´t mean to complain, we apologized with KB several times for our unfortunate comments; we promised it won´t happen again.

[gopostal]

I read that thread with a lot of interest. Thank you for posting it. For the following post "you" is meant in the collective sense, not "you" personally.

I'll be the first to admit I'm simple. I make mistakes and I screw up. Welcome to the club "human"...I would like to interject a bit of opinion here. POTS, you know I like you and Rei very much. I *would* vouch for you two in a millisecond but.....(there's always a 'but' isn't there?)...MHM players have a bit of "I can't be told what to do" attitude, whether you care to admit it or not. I've seen it firsthand, and dealing with it was challenging to say the least.

I think this is mostly an extension of Herm being very "hands off" on his server/forums. It tends to let people feel they can do what they want and that freedom feeds itself and fast becomes an inferred "right". You guys play a certain style on MHM and thats quite evident in watching the scoring. Players will be on server for 30 minutes without a score or it is negative. You see that NOWHERE else in MH so that should tell you that it's not an accepted practice. Chatting is a by-product of the server, not a reason to be on there so it ought to be obvious to you to leave the server if you want to BS a bunch. It's not a stated rule on most servers because it's a common sense issue.

I don't want this to sound all harsh but it's my opinion you are beginning to paint Herm into a corner over these issues. He's added antiboost because of complaints and you are going to force him to get involved if his tag is involved with trouble at friendly servers. It might be best for some strong internal peer-policing or the alternative may not be as palatable as you would like. I'd guess few things will rouse the Herm-Bear as fast as a "WTF is up with your guys?" email from another admin.

[Ice]

We do all tend to talk alot and its not meant to disturb others.
Its usually we play a few maps of serious games
but lets be honest how fun is it playing the same maps we've beaten everyday for another time?
So we just talk and goof around on the next few maps.
Most of us try to not include people in our goofing off time unless they're okay with it.
Its actually a lot a fun if people would give us a chance.

So on others servers I wouldn't say its so much a "we can't be told what to do" (though I know to some extent and with certain people it is)
Its just more thats what we're used to so when we're being told
"your a bad players, dont come on our servers, you whine alot, etc etc.
We get a little offended and it may seem like we're being unreasonable
but it seems the same to us like the people telling us that is unreasonable.
Really its just a case of both sides only seeing one point of view.
and like you said gopo we can all join the human club

My biggest issue is that it seems EVERY time this problem of someone misbehaving theres a post started.
The post reads something like "MHMer's dont listen, MHMer's don't play good, MHM is full of noobs who refuse to listen."
Where if it was me doing the wrong stuff I would want the post to say
"Ice doesn't listen, Ice doesn't play good, Ice is a noob who doesn't listen"
Our tag has nothing to do with our behavior so it SHOULD NOT be involved in any complaint about us.
You don't judge people as a group you judge them as an individual.
Then give them a second chance. Thats how I see it.

Thats all on my rant for now

[BIOMECH]

MHM is something of an oasis.
We play for fun, we can spend hours just...enjoying ourselves.
No rules beyond common sense rules.
So we have a great sense of community here, if a problem comes up we solve it amongst ourselves, and only get closer as a result.
If we decided to spend an hour boosting ourselves around MH-Arden to see where we can get, then that's good fun.
The whole thing just seems swathed in...right.

This is the way MH should be played, for the fun, for the adrenaline, for the friendship.
We go to other servers and try to make a good impression, but we have an allergic reaction to nonsensical rules and overzealous admins.
What kind of place forbids you to explore?
What kind of place forbids you to socialise?
What kind of place forbids you to complain?
A wrong place, not my kind of place...I'll stay in the light of reason.

[-HellFire-]

My biggest issue is that it seems EVERY time this problem of someone misbehaving theres a post started.
The post reads something like "MHMer's dont listen, MHMer's don't play good, MHM is full of noobs who refuse to listen."
Where if it was me doing the wrong stuff I would want the post to say
"Ice doesn't listen, Ice doesn't play good, Ice is a noob who doesn't listen"
Our tag has nothing to do with our behavior so it SHOULD NOT be involved in any complaint about us.
You don't judge people as a group you judge them as an individual.
Then give them a second chance. Thats how I see it.

Thats all on my rant for now

Well spoken Ice
That was something I forgot to say.

Now what I hate, is to call me/other {MHM}'s childish.
I think like I said in the other post, coming to a forum and say ''stupid'' things is childish.
We {MHM}'s goof around a lot but we also play if they ask us to.
We want to chill out sometimes after killing the monsters.
I don't get what's wrong with that.
To be honest all the {MHM}'s just behave normal, only there are people who don't like our goof around and no-playing style.

Last, like already said that we must behave on other servers (which we actually do).

[BIOMECH]

Hmmm, to put it simply:

We enjoy life.
And if this annoys people.
Then wtf is wrong with those people

[Reiyel_3.0]

I think this is mostly an extension of Herm being very "hands off" on his server/forums. It tends to let people feel they can do what they want and that freedom feeds itself and fast becomes an inferred "right". You guys play a certain style on MHM and thats quite evident in watching the scoring. Players will be on server for 30 minutes without a score or it is negative. You see that NOWHERE else in MH so that should tell you that it's not an accepted practice. Chatting is a by-product of the server, not a reason to be on there so it ought to be obvious to you to leave the server if you want to BS a bunch. It's not a stated rule on most servers because it's a common sense issue.

Personally, I had no idea that our "practice" was so unaccepted that there was no need to have a rule against it since it was so common sense. Like Ice said, it´s both sides seeing only one point of view; we´re being judged as bad players for a "practice" we do not consider bad at all.

However, and we could take this as an start point for a future commitment, we can´t expect other admins to think like us. It would be wise if we, as MHM´ers, avoid our chatting or our goofing around in other servers. That´s why we apologized with KB for our behaviour, and that´s why we left when the hidden admin told us to "Play or go find a chatroom" (we never argued with him or told him "you can´t tell us what to do", we left according to his own instructions).

To avoid future problems, we should keep our fun practices (chatting, goofing around, boosting, etc.) only in our servers. That should be the end of the discussion and we should take this as a rule.

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Now some of my personal opinion : I see no fun at all in finishing a map which I have finished 10000 times before. I see no fun in trying to beat some players I know I would beat playing with the touchpad of my laptop and a broken finger. That´s why chatting or trying to have some sort of alternative objectives in the map (like reaching a peak, or playing hide and seek) attracts my attention. I still don´t see why this should be taken as bad sportmanship. We don´t force players to do our thing; we never interfere with them. And many many times we stop what we´re doing to help players if they ask for it. We never discriminate anyone; if they want to join our chat or the fun they´re more than welcome. I even take the time to speak in their own language so they could feel more welcome!!!!! MHM3 was the only server polite enough to have it´s rules like in 5 different languages!!!

[gopostal]

Man, I love a healthy debate! Well versed opinions guys.

Now let me get you straight Rei. In basic terms you are bored with the maps and are seeking other avenues of entertainment value within the game? Additionally you are irritated that other servers won't play your way (or at least allow you to), even as you do not follow their way? To me it looks like a recipe for serious conflict.

You got great ideas Rei and if the MHM group is smart they will listen to you. I still just don't think you "get" it though. Not to flog a dead horse but look at the server browser at any point and check scoring. MHM is the only server with players in negative. MH is an assault-type game and it's commonly accepted practice that you either assist the group or leave. That's why so many servers use kick-idle. Other servers are incredibly intolerant of what you consider fun and you should be acutely aware of that at all times, especially if you are tagged outside of Herm's server.

A favorite saying of mine is "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck". If the same issues come up on multiple servers, then you need to look at the common threads among the problems.

Someone should pony up the $5 US it takes to run a teamspeak server, let everyone use it, and then the problem would be solved. You can freely chat independent of what server you are on and not bother anyone on the games. I chat with several people while gaming and its a wonderful tool.

[-HellFire-]

Not to flog a dead horse but look at the server browser at any point and check scoring. MHM is the only server with players in negative. MH is an assault-type game and it's commonly accepted practice that you either assist the group or leave.

I'm not sure of I get the right thing but does it mean that we're mostly not playing if we're on MHM?
In that case, if we play look at the scores.
Then {MHM} is always positive

[Reiyel_3.0]

Now let me get you straight Rei. In basic terms you are bored with the maps and are seeking other avenues of entertainment value within the game? Additionally you are irritated that other servers won't play your way (or at least allow you to), even as you do not follow their way? To me it looks like a recipe for serious conflict.

Not at all Gopo. Good that you´re asking this so I can clarify for the rest of the people.

I like to find "other avenues of enternainment" yes. I´m bored with the maps; no, otherwise I won´t play MH again.

Am I irritated with other servers?, NO. They´re all free to play like they want. When I play in other servers, I´m mostly orientated to get the high score. Again, I ,and I think all MHM´ers should do the same, respect other server´s rules and style of game. I play in several MH servers and nobody ever complained about my behaviour, that´s why I was so irritated with the last incident on KB. I believe this is mainly what all MHM ´ers think.

Please someone correct me if I´m wrong but I think this "goof around" attitude is kind of the same attitude good old SRA used to have? SRA members were wise enough to know they should keep their game style only on their servers. We all should do the same.

MHM Village is our fun converted into a map. A map orientated only to goof around. You even add for as a button to unallow other players to end the mapl, remember Gopo?

This is not the first time I get frustrated due to the limits of written communication; if you´d seen my gestures or heard the tone of my voice you wouldn´t asked this.

I´ll quote myself to clarify what I really mean:

To avoid future problems, we should keep our fun practices (chatting, goofing around, boosting, etc.) only in our servers. That should be the end of the discussion and we should take this as a rule.