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[David]

From an outsiders view:

It's amazing you guys are still hammering away at gopostal.
Show some respect...He took the time and effort to help out Hermskii for your benefit.
Sure, gopostal got upset because a few of you were acting childish...I would to.
And I've been to MHM and it is Kindergarten at times...especially when a few of you get together. And I'm all about having fun and doing and saying the wrong things...just look at my track record. But you guys have to realize that gopostal is a very serious/intelligent person that cares about UT and cares about his work. And he greatly wants the best for all of us.
And in my opinion (with all his flaws and attributes) gopostal is a guy we don't want to lose as a friend to this forum.


Maybe Killer_Klownz said it best:

You MHMs "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted"
because "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted"
and therefore "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" and if Klownz "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" pieces "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" . . . .

I second that motion. Gopostal has and will continue to be a person you would want around for UT/MHM.

[Reiyel_3.0]

Sure, gopostal got upset because a few of you were acting childish...I would to.
And I've been to MHM and it is Kindergarten at times...especially when a few of you get together. And I'm all about having fun and doing and saying the wrong things...just look at my track record. But you guys have to realize that gopostal is a very serious/intelligent person that cares about UT and cares about his work. And he greatly wants the best for all of us.
And in my opinion (with all his flaws and attributes) gopostal is a guy we don't want to lose as a friend to this forum.


Maybe Killer_Klownz said it best:

You MHMs "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted"
because "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted"
and therefore "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" and if Klownz "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" pieces "Expletive Deleted" "Expletive Deleted" . . . .

+ At least try to show some respect for us: for you is Kindergarden, but not for us. Like POTS said, it´s a matter of points of view. About those quotes, is it really thar hard to keep a civil conversation? Looks like Gopostal is the serious / intelligent person and the rest of us are the dumbs. I think your comment is both annoying and disrespectful. We all said we disagree with Gopostal but never attacked him.

In fact, we don´t want Gopostal out of MHM: we just want to know if there are gonna be changes and the specific rules for the server.

Yes my personal playstyle is much more focused than MHM, but that's not the issue here. You guys act like I'm the only dissenting voice but I don't think you fully grasp the entire situation. A quick scan of the chat logs for "Don't" and "quit" and "please stop" bring up something every single day. Goofing is one thing but affecting other players who don't like it is another.

Again, this is not explicit.

I think you should set up the "new" rules of MHM so we can all know what we are allowed to do and what we´re not allowed to. Let´s make a list.

About the daily complains, let me clarify this. I can recognize that "please stop". The last months some UTSA players have been playing with us sometimes bringing more trouble than fun. I can recognize KillingAngel saying "Guys stop!" because she thought it was wrong to chat or goof and wanted "help" killing the monsters.

Once also I asked Blizz to leave a match in MHM. He called me "p%#$y" and also called another MHM´er something like "Go [Expletive Deleted] you [Expletive Deleted] and [Expletive Deleted] and then [Expletive Deleted]". I asked him to leave the server.

In the first case they did not respect our preferences in our own server, and in the second one they did not respect us. My question then is, are MHM´ers the main and only problem?

I think Gopostal knows me, and if he cared about the times I talked to him or sent him emails he will know by now that I appreciate him. Back on the MHM3 days I completely trusted him and always asked him for advice. I said in several posts that he´s a great guy and that we all must thank him and that he has done more things for MH than the rest of us together.

But the different gamestyle and some prejudges to some players might be big inconveniences for being an admin on MHM. Gopo should stay in the MH community, we don´t want him to leave us; what I´m asking now is an specific list of rules and to all agree on them.
Please, the rules list.

[BIOMECH]

Gopo says: antiboost was probably added to stop you ruining it for other people.
Cow says: Oh come on! We don't kill other people! we goof around! sheesh!
MEAT says: quit hammering on gopostal
David says: yeah leave him alone.

Hey guys, maybe if you took in what was going on instead of just automatically saying we should stop hassling him, I would care more.
Nothing special, just maybe showing your even slightly aware of what's going on instead of just shooting anything that moves.

[MEAT]

+ At least try to show some respect for us: for you is Kindergarden, but not for us. Like POTS said, it´s a matter of points of view. About those quotes, is it really thar hard to keep a civil conversation? Looks like Gopostal is the serious / intelligent person and the rest of us are the dumbs. I think your comment is both annoying and disrespectful. We all said we disagree with Gopostal but never attacked him.
Please, the rules list.

Hey no disrespect here...Kindergarten was the best 2 years of my life.
My point is we're all pawns in the game of life/UT but some people here
deserve more respect then others.
Those being people that build servers, maps, mods..etc
We all can give opinions til we're blue in the face but don't forget those
that do all the work...so that we all can have fun.

And as for a "rules" list...how about just common sense and respect for others.

[-HellFire-]

This really sounds like MHM is stupid and that we're doing everything wrong.
Which we don't.
Maybe we made a couple of mistakes but it's not a world problem like mostly is described in this conversations.
It seems that every non-MHM has problems that we like goof around.
Its everytime ''MHM ruined the fun'', ''MHM is misbehaving'', ''MHM this, MHM that''.
It's just to annoying to read you dont want to know.
Everyone is happy with gopostal and nobody wants him to leave.
He did some great things for us.
But say that its sometime like a ''kindergarten'' is so frustrating to read.
It's just useless to read.
What some people call Kindergarten is called fun for us.

[BIOMECH]

Some people seem to be believe that we ruin the match because we aren't killing things, and I take less interest in this every time it comes up.

We're doing our own thing, if people are affected by people not doing anything, then why the hell should I degenerate myself to the level of these people.
Must...Kill...Monsters...All...Must...Join...The...Hunt...To...Finish...The...Map...People...
Who...Don't...Play...Must...Be...Categorized...As...Noobs...Because...Chatting...Reduces...
The...Damage...Inflicted...By...Other...People's...Weapons...Uhhhrrr...

Pah, robots.

[*POTS*]

@ MEAT:
nobody in here is attacking gopostal, we just want to be 100% clear about what's good and what's wrong according to his point of view, you just keep on criticising our gamestyle, what about you? You scare the hell out of the newbies on your server and force them to leave the server, then you talk about be sure to always help the others and stuff like that. You keep on complaining about spawnkillers and you have even added spawn protection on your server, as far as I know the MHM members do NOT play on your server (except for some rare occasions) but you still have problems to deal with.

@ Killer_Klownz:
Your "expletive deleted" "expletive deleted" etc. etc. post is pointless. Nobody in here is cussing and/or insulting the others, be constructive or avoid sarcastic comments. You men call us "punk kids" but you don't act in a better way, and you're over 40 years old.

@ The UTSA members:
You keep on complaining about us, sending private messages to the admins instead of trying to solve the issues directly with us.

Well I have something to complain about you:
- I've been boosted to death by Blizz on the MHM server different times, and that's been made on purpose, but I simply didn't care that much;
- I've been harshly and repeatedly invited to help the other players and to summon the superweapons by Angel back to the MHM3 times, when I was trying to have a rest, connected as a spectator. If it were gopostal instead of me, I'm sure you'd had already be banned.
- I've found you guys often complaining about lag on our server, please remember that on the KB server excessive whining is worth a ban.
- If you don't like us, you have your own server, we are not pointing a gun to your head and force you to play on our server.

@ gopostal:
You say you've shut down the MHM3 server because of the countless daily PMs of complaints. You've never made me aware of that. I also can recall another post of you in this forum were you say you've shut down the server because nobody was helping you at all. This is confusing, to say the least.

@ some of our members (those who are directly involved with admin issues):
Please do me a favour and stop posting replies to this thread. I admit some of us have made mistakes, and posting further replies doesn't help at all, no matter what you say.

@ everyone else:
You think that all problems on all existing UT servers are because of the MHM members and everyone else is a saint.
In the UT DreamWorld there are no aimbotters, no cheaters, no cussers, no typekillers, no spawnkillers, no lamers, etc. etc.
In the real UT world unfortunately those persons exist and that's why there are anticheats, antiboost, anticamping, spawn protections and stuff like that, on most of the UT servers.

[Killer Klownz]

@ Killer_Klownz:
Your "expletive deleted" "expletive deleted" etc. etc. post is pointless. Nobody in here is cussing and/or insulting the others, be constructive or avoid sarcastic comments. You men call us "punk kids" but you don't act in a better way, and you're over 40 years old.

Klownz was just injecting a little buffoonery into all the caterwauling, lamentation and aggrieved feelings by cutting and pasting "expletive deleted" a few dozen times . . . Klownz can see that it strayed from it's intended objective or the facetiousness has simply dissipated from this nondescript pillow talk . . . so be it . . . the Klownz departs with a lucid admonition . . . Don't let IT catch a {MHM} on a redeemer server because the reckoning cometh . . . .

[gopostal]

OK, lets hit on this one more time and then I'm simply not going to play the cyclic arguement game any longer....

Pots, I'll point out a specific time that stands out for me over MHM3. I specifically told you I would add no more DM maps because I just didn't have the time to download, compress, upload, etc that is required to get it solidly on the server without someone to help me out. Your reply? It contained 7 more maps for me to add. 2 Attached and five in links you expected me to go out onto the net and download. I will give you that you added "No more, I promise" at the end though.

Rei, you are a smart guy and get it. You have sound ideas and I love discussion with you (almost as much as with Bio ) but you ought to put your money where your mouth is. Stand up and tell people what you think is wrong, just like you are doing with me. Dammit this sort of thing will HELP you guys, don't you see that? Communication is cathartic. Jump out front and lead things. You have it in you.

Bio, you ought to just be quiet for a while. You aren't adding anything positive. I liked it better when you were stoning me. At least you were direct on what you thought was wrong and not trying to stir the pot consistently like you are now.

Now it seems that I am the dividing line here. I very much appreciate the support David and Meat and Fuzz, and those who have PM'ed. I know some have disagreed with my actions but in a perfect world I could post a selection of complaint emails, IM's and forum PM's and you could see what I have tried to deal with. I have shared most of those with Herm and he understands.

Never have I ever dealt unfairly with anyone here. If I took issue with you it was because you clearly broke a rule. You may feel it unfair, but that's not my problem. You guys have got to get it through your head that goofing around is fine, but screwing around with other players is not. And this is not aimed at MHM. I kicked 3 or 4 people from MHM3 for every one MHM player I had an issue with, often for the very same thing. Look, I speak with Herm on the phone a couple of times a week and I can assure you antiboost was added as a direct result of player complaints. He's tired of the BS. He's been "hands off" and some have taken advantage of that and acted like they had immunity. If you really had issues with the forthcoming changes, you'd be addressing Herm but instead you are still hammering on my faults. You guys know some of what is happening is wrong, but you just don't want to give it up.

Now, for the last time.....Herm will make *all* the rules. I will simply see they are followed. I have made it understood to him I don't want to have to interpret anything. His decisions on direction will be concise and to the point and whatever he wants, I will make sure he gets. Herm is one *HELLUVA* guy and most of you have no idea the things he has given up and forgone to keep the servers and forum running. You ought to be standing in line to do what he wants, not carping about "post the rules" or "explain it all". Jesus, give the guy a break. It's his server and he will do it on his time.

[Spice]

Rei, sick of UTSA? dont worry about me playing anymore, done with UT cus of all this crap at home right now

[Reiyel_3.0]

I was not asking Herm for the rules, I was asking you because I felt that some changes were coming. Changes orientated to nuke our gamestyle, since it´s clear that many of you believe is not a style but a problem with "we can do what we want".

About telling people what i think; I do. I have told the guys many times to remember the test server was not a new MHM. You all (Hellfire, Biomech, Supreme, etc.) did not listen and continue summoning and goofing, knowing that Gopo does not like that behaviour. If you all would have remembered that we would not be having this trouble now. But that´s in your server, in MHM Herm has allowed us to chat and goof, and no outsider can come and critize our gamestyle the way they have done now. Besides, I like the rest of MHM´ers, they are MY FRIENDS, so, I don´t have to and I don´t want to fight with them; I also don´t have anything else to tell them. We are cool.

I wanted specific rules because clearly we don´t share the notion of "common sense". Meat, Gopostal, KK and some others think goofing and chatting is idiotic, so their common sense is to stop it. On the other hand, we MHM´ers find goofing funny and our "common sense" tells us to not disturb other players or disrespect them. Our common sense also tell us that don´t kill monsters is ok. We know Hermskii´s way to see the game; but we needed to be specific with your view Gopo.

Also, we are not criticizing Herm at all, we all respect him so much, so please DON´T EVEN TRY TO INSINUATE WE´RE QUESTIONING HIM AS AN ADMIN OR THE WAYS HE DOES THE ADMINING STUFF.

Rei, sick of UTSA? dont worry about me playing anymore, done with UT cus of all this crap at home right now

My answer is:

@ The UTSA members:
You keep on complaining about us, sending private messages to the admins instead of trying to solve the issues directly with us.

If you don't like us, you have your own server, we are not pointing a gun to your head and force you to play on our server.

Before some outsiders came we were so fine. Why don´t you talk to Firefox or Iosa, they liked our gamestyle and stayed here and had fun. They even decided to use the tag. But others didn´t like it and decided to do all they could to ruin us.

I´ve talked to David and, as the great and correct player he is, he wisely suggested to lock the topic. Everyone knows each other opinion and continuing with this will only hurt more people. POTS is tired of everything and he feel that he´s been disrespected (not by any MHM´er, just in case); that´s a shame because he´s one of the best MHM members and also my buddy.

So please lock this and leave us alone. Just leave us alone. I´m also done with this. Ban us all and tag us as punk kids. Call us noobs (even if I know I can beat you all together with one hand) and everything. Lock the topic and let us continue with our lives. Only time will fix this now.

[gopostal]

Rei you are reading what you want and ignoring the rest. I *am not* making the rules. I *am not* injecting "my" playstyle anywhere. I could care less personally if people goof off. It never bothered me in MHM3, and it doesn't bother me on MHM. I may not enjoy it, but I never ended a map without asking if I knew people we funning around. Hell, I'm the one who put the end block into the village map.

Last time I was on MHM Pots and Ice we having fun, so I spoke to them and continued on to play the map. Didn't bother me at all. What did upset me was certain players attempting to affect others on the server in a negative way. Those are two distinct issues, not one in the same. One needed admin attention and one didn't.

Look Herm isn't asking me to alter your guy's fun. All too quickly though fun turns mean. You mention Iosa as a new player that likes the server. Well, he's the one who kicked Supreme off the testserver. You guys think that because people like to goof around they also want to be aggravated by finding ways to affect them. You shouldn't *have* to ask someone to stop shooting/killing you or repeating voice taunts or blocking you. The fact that they are is the core issue that needs addressing, not the goofing around betweem consenting players.

It's a real mistake to lock this topic. For once people are being honest. I don't care if EVERYONE is angry at me, but dammit communicate with each other. Feelings are probably going to get a little bruised but we are all adults(ish). There have been simmering issues for a long time and for once they are being brought up.

[Reiyel_3.0]

You mention Iosa as a new player that likes the server. Well, he's the one who kicked Supreme off the testserver.

I´ve talked to Iosa and he said he didn´t mean to kick him. In fact, when I joined he was worrying that you may believed he really wanted to kick Supreme and that you could start and big issue about it.

[Killer Klownz]

I wanted specific rules because clearly we don´t share the notion of "common sense". Meat, Gopostal, KK and some others think goofing and chatting is idiotic, so their common sense is to stop it.

Not true . . . Klownz thinks if you people want to "tra la la" unhindered thru a map and confess to each other how cool you think unicorns are then go ahead and do it . . . Klownz just finds this thread humorous . . . none of you can let it go . . .

[MEAT]

@ MEAT:
nobody in here is attacking gopostal, we just want to be 100% clear about what's good and what's wrong according to his point of view, you just keep on criticising our gamestyle, what about you? You scare the hell out of the newbies on your server and force them to leave the server, then you talk about be sure to always help the others and stuff like that. You keep on complaining about spawnkillers and you have even added spawn protection on your server, as far as I know the MHM members do NOT play on your server (except for some rare occasions) but you still have problems to deal with.
a better way, and you're over 40 years old.

Actually if you're going to now attack me at least get your facts straight.

I've openly have admitted and facts will state that I'm BMF when it comes to Redeemer.
And in years past I wouldn't think twice about eating you alive and chitting on your grave.
But facts will also show that I'm a changed man when it comes to helping "newbies" as of late.
In the last year I've done nothing but help all newcomers that have excepted it or have asked for it.
Those that didn't, regardless if new or old, I show no mercy. Some what like the disrepect I've seen at MHM.

As for spawn killing or spawn protection...I've had spawn protection since day one.
That was an issue or complaint I had with CG and one of many reasons why we have MRS now.
And as for the MHM "clan"...I've had a few frequent my server and have no problem with it.
I've even helped a couple (names being withheld to protect the innocent) with technique.
And as for being over 40...well when I was younger I worked more then I played.
Not an excuse but fact...it also has a bearing on why we have different opinions on things.
What else you got for me...?