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Extreme lag issue

Post by BiGbOsS » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:57 am

Hey guys been a while since ive checked in, still playing ut mostly bt and idm.
I have been getting this lag issue, when it happens (randomly i might add) my entire screen freezes up, somtimes the red box of doom appears other times it doesnt. it will freeze for a few seconds move a little, then freeze for a few more seconds. I have had my ping opened during some of these intervals and it will record my ping anywhere from 1200-5000 :shock:. Now this happens offline as well AND it happens to me on some of the other games i play (Starcraft BW, minecraft...etc). Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this? I got this system in christmas of 09 and it never did it untill about a month ago. It started very slowly maybe once a week, then once a day, and now im getting it about 5 or 6 times a day (depending on how long i play). I must admit i have been lazy and havent cleaned the system once :oops: is it over heating? or is this some sort of driver issue? Am i just computer stupid? Dont think its my internet since it happens offline on other games as well......

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by shadow_knight » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:40 pm

sounds like spyware or you have a program updating it self like an antivirus program

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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by David » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:34 pm

When I have been playing within the last month, I have had similar issues. You can ask SB. He watched as I played and he saw how my ping will go crazy. I get the red disconnected symbol while playing then it will go away, but I die sometimes while waiting to be connected again. It is not very long that I am being disconnected only a few seconds each time (majority of the time).

I have tried playing with and without the firewall. Concerning malware or viruses, I do weekly scans of my computers with AV (Kaspersky AV), CCleaner, and malwarebytes. I defrag my hard drives once a week. I try to do what I can, but still have some lag issues. I am trying to eliminate programs while playing to see if it has any effects.
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by Hook » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:44 pm

I also had some lag issues a while back as SilentBob knows.
But so did my neighbors that used my same ISP.
Then it was corrected after about 2-3 weeks of it. :|
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by David » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:43 pm

Hook wrote:I also had some lag issues a while back as SilentBob knows.
But so did my neighbors that used my same ISP.
Then it was corrected after about 2-3 weeks of it. :|
I did some trace routes at the suggestion of SB and I showed him the results. But hopefully, it will work its way out. I think it will be on my ISP end. I have had some issues in the past with them. But, with the choice I have in my area, they are the better then the others... too bad.
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by BiGbOsS » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:31 pm

hmm good to know im not the only one whose had this problem. I know the frustration david because of the lag either a monster kills you or you run into some lava or something and you die. War Master thought it might have been my dual core, but i fixed that and i still get the issue. SO if it is an ISP issue is there nothing i can do on my end? That makes it even more frustrating lol. But david's problem sounds exactly like mine, AND it too has started in about the past month for me (bad grammar).
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by Hermskii » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:45 pm

Sorry I took so long to reply. The fact that it happens when you play offline blows the ISP theory out of the water for you. So, no, it isn't your Internet connection.

Firewall? Maybe but I doubt it. What do you use?

Spy-ware, Mal-ware? doubt it too though it is highly more possible. Download, install and run the free version of this: www.malwarebytes.com

Antivirus? What do you use? It could certainly be this either now scanning harder than usual do to and update or maybe even the update trying to see if it has an update to get. Maybe it is running in the background and scanning.

HEAT! Yes, heat is a great answer but it usually doesn't come and go like that. It usually locks your PC right up or just reboots you randomly when it is hot. Pop the side cover off and blow out the PC real good. Unseat and re-seat the ram while you're in there!

You said it happens in other games too. It is not the Internet. It is likely heat. If not heat then maybe the malwarebytes solution should be tried. Clean that PC out. All of it. Lastly, a power supply going out can cause these issues big-time! Peace and good luck!
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by BiGbOsS » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:51 am

Haha herm i realized while i was playing a few minutes ago that it couldnt be an isp issue because i already said it happened offline...
Im an idiot for even considering the isp issue after already saying it couldnt be an internet issue lol
I have scanned it with malware bytes (been using it since it came out Best thing in my computer life lol) and i found nothing.
I use free AVG as an antivirus/spyware, ill give it a full scan, but should i actually pay some money and invest in something better? AVG hardly finds anything anyways what do you all use? and this thing runs a process in the background that i cant stop. But when i open it up it says it hasnt updated for a few months so it cant be that its updating....i think.
And ill clean it out too, even if it heating up isnt the solution to my problem, it will probably be healthy for the system anyways.
Thanks again!

PS herm if you check this , would you mind quickly explaining the ram issue? I mean i know how to unseat it and reseat it, but why would that help? or is it just healthy?
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by Sir Mandrake » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:42 am

I know people hate wall of texts but theres gotta be a way to explain everything in detail :P ......

Herms post pretty much sums up what to do in cases like this.

AVG has gotten pretty sophisticated over the past year and the processes that it uses can interfere in ways the avergage user wont understand. AVG is supposed to go in a dormant stage when you play games to minimize lag. I'm not sure if that feature is in the free version or if you have to buy the full version of AVG to benefit from it. I would suggest removing AVG completely, REBOOT and try your games a few times and see what happens. If you still lag, then AVG isnt your problem. Please do reinstall AVG or some other similar antivirus before you surf or download to prevent infection.

The above is true for firewalls too.... its best to completely uninstall them to remove the underlying process and test for lag.

As far as your ISP goes, yeah if you get lag while not using the internet then its probably not that, However you are still connected to a network which is constantly sending packets so its best to try rebooting any modems or routers you are connected too.

Sometimes I have run into situations where a monitor program for a printer will lag out a PC ... If the printer is turned off ... Its looking for the printer to talk to so keep your printers turned on.

The best programs I use for PC cleaning are used in this order.

1.) McAfee Stinger - kills running virus/trojan processes that may be running.
http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp?id=stinger

2.) Combofix .. I cant stress enough how valuable this program is. It will solve MANY problems with an ailing PC, Rootkits are very troublesome in todays PCs - let it install the recovery console if it asks.
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/downloa ... s/combofix

3.) Malwarebytes Antimalware
http://www.malwarebytes.org/

4.) Superantispyware - this one will run on the taskbar after install but you can disable it
http://www.superantispyware.com/

Then finally - do a normal antivirus scan of your PC and defrag.
Reason I use #3 & #4 back to back is because they each have thier own detection schemes. So superantispyware will pick up bits left behind by Malwarebytes resulting in a clean thorough spyware scan of your machine.


Reseating your memory modules can help with preventing system errors. The heating and cooling of plug in components on a motherboard can make them work thier way out of a socket if they are not secured. Oxidation can contribute to poor contacts on the module. Simply remove the memory module and pop it back in, making sure it locks in place.

As far as antivirus goes - I use McAffe Enterprise 8.7i (One of the perks of working in IT at work, hehe)
but for being completely free, AVG may be youre best bet. Buying these antivirus pacakges will usually give you more functionality such as firewall and identity protection. Better support and more control over the programs.

Others out there with free trials are:
Kaspersky - http://usa.kaspersky.com/
Trend Micro - http://us.trendmicro.com/us/home/
Computer Associtates - http://www.ca.com
and the well known Norton which in my opinion can make a pc run slow if you dont have the ram.

I hope this helps you and everyone else that may be having lag/computer issues.
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by Hermskii » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:28 am

Awesome reply Sir Mandrake. Awesome everything about it! It was spot on. I too have used ComboFix before. It is terribly strong. Be sure to get a backup before you use it even though it says it makes a restore point before it does its job. I had it ctach a root kit that MalwareBytes missed and so did AVG. After full scans with AVG and with MalwareBytes, that particular PC still would not/could not go to the Microsoft Updates page. It would redirect me away from that page no matter what so I knew I still had something bad in that computer. ComboFix nailed it. It was a rootkit. It locked up before finishing and so never made a log file of what the virus was but the PC worked like a champ after the reboot.

I use AVG free and you have to go into it and turn up the detection settings in the advanced menu for it to work good. Out of the box, it is pure junk and nearly virus friendly it is so weak.

My methods go about like this: I run a scandisk on the hard drive and check the results to make sure there are no bad sectors 1st. Then I run a disk cleanup. Make sure you know what you are doing with it or you'll lose a bunch of stuff you may need. Do not put a check in the box to compress files! Then I update and run a full force AVG scan. Then update MalwareBytes all of the way and run a full scan with it too. Then I reboot. Then I defrag and reboot again. If there is any indication at all that anything is still odd and not functioning properly I may run ComboFix as my last resort. That is it. That is my routine. Peace and good luck!
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by LePoLoo » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:46 am

lol I downloaded Combofix and AVG detected it as a malware and deleted it !!! :shock:

Kinda weird thing ! :D
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by Sir Mandrake » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:07 pm

Yeah the new AVG is doing that...not only with combofix, but for games too. I have a game Ive played for years went to do an update and AVG suddenly started blocking it... no clue why.

I also forgot to mention.. Combofix refuses to run if any piece of AVG is installed. It will give you a big warning about this and close. uninstall avg if you run combofix. Then reinstall AVG when done. Simply turning off the on access scan function of AVG wont work.

Theres another tool I use occasionally to fix windows update services and DLL registration errors and security on a WinXP PC.

Its called "Dial-a-Fix" http://wiki.lunarsoft.net/wiki/Dial-a-fix
It works only up to windows XP but it will save you a ton of time fixing those internal windows screw ups.

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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by 5i1ent/3ob » Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:00 pm

I don't understand how heat could create packet loss? I can see how a hot CPU might screw up performance, but I don't see how it could show as visible packet loss in the numbers.
In his TR there is a location which times out with total loss and one location which has a latency of over 700ms. Either or both would certainly reflect as packet loss.
He is on a network with at least one other puter on it, but I don't get how that would affect off-line game play.
We checked for processes running in the background and there's nothing out of the norm there.
The free Avast does have a game play mode. I've been using this version for over a year with no UT related issues.
He could execute the game from DOS to see if there are Windows related issues, but again I don't see how those sort of issues would reflect as packet loss.
His network setting within the game is correct for his connection and so unless his RWIN setting is way out of scale I don't see how he's getting these spikes other than it being the fault of a slow router, screwed up trunk or something a part of his IP's routing.
I'd go out to DSL reports, run their tweak test and see what it has to say about the numbers pertaining to connection efficiency.

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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by Sir Mandrake » Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:10 pm

Apparently something with the pc is causing it to pause or lag....which can cause packet loss. but it was already mentioned that the lag existed while not playing online. It could be a failing Hard Drive making the PC reread sectors because of errors.... or memory going bad. memtest86+ will help there.
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Re: Extreme lag issue

Post by David » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:09 pm

I ran trace route at a work computer who has the same ISP, and ran it to hermskii.com and I again got timed out. I got the same results from work as I did at home, so it will be an ISP issue for me.

PS I did the combofix on it in the recent past.

I used TCPOptimizer version 3, to modify or change the settings. I can't say that I noticed anything drastic, but I heard it can do good things.

Again, ISP (Cableone) strikes again. :?
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